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Whistle-1 Whistle-2a-Snowden Whistle-2b Snowden Links Whistle-3a-Kiriakou Court Case Whistle-3b Kiriakou Articles Whistle-3c Kiriakou Comments (here) Whistle-3d Kiriakou Links Comment 2021/01/25 Given some time and distance, my views on this situation have shifted in some ways although the stayed the same in others. As noted earlier in 2017, I felt Kiriakou was likely a whistleblower at first, but along the way wondered if he himself had been active in heavy-handling of Abu Zubaydah only to decide the system was off and he needed to protect himself. However, later in the court system, there are indications he was not given a fair trial under the Obama administration. When originally going through the bulk of a number of news videos on Kiriakou, one of things I remember hearing him saying was “We were just so angry over 9/11” to explain perhaps some of the heavy-handedness against suspects rounded up in Pakistan and Afghanistan shortly after the USA started sending in the CIA as a forerunner to the bulk of the troops that came later. Knowing what we know today about Obama and the whole Democrat drive for leftist, LGBT and minority power movement preference, Obama’s “refusing leniency” shows up as a red flag. Also realizing that CIA agents were the front men sent out in low, inadequate numbers into the field in Afghanistan well ahead of formal military operations while things were “getting going” in the response to the 9/11 attacks, agents were probably over their heads in new waters. There was in adequate planning and structure. Kiriakou might have been less whistleblowing over torture per se than seeking a story for monetary compensation. He also might have been feeling he was in deep water, into something that would ultimately not be in his interests or that he was in danger, so he might have reached out to the outside for help on some level. The fact he was trying to write a book during this process is troubling because he could have waited until later after he was off-assignment or retired; the book aspect leads credence to the notion he was less whistleblowing and more seeking personal gain; if he had just spoken to a few journalists and let it go at that, the whistleblowing would be given more credence. Writing books while you are in the middle of something seems off in this situation. In addition, Kiriakou, a Greek American, indicated he had Greek contacts at the CIA who helped get him a job. How much a Greek rough-housing of prisoners was a cultural pattern in the CIA should be checked out; perhaps as a sort of minority themselves there was a sense of tension to perform for the American government and military system while not feeling central to that system, a little outside the box. Sometimes in history one class of persons has been used as the guys to do the dirty work while the so-called legitimate side of the government tried to look white collar and professional. If Greek CIA agents felt like they were the guys asked to do the dirty work, they might have allowed things to go too far without internalized feelings of legitimacy, morality or professional protocols. In addition, there seems to have been at least one Hispanic involved as an overseer who might have been calling some of the abusive acts against Islamic prisoners. This Hispanic propensity for heavy- handling of prisoners should be checked from field to prison, especially at Guantanamo in Cuba - surrounded by Cubans and perhaps with a largern than normal of Hispanics or Latinos working in and around the prison system there, people need to watch for cultural propensities for abuse similar to what we find in other parts of the Mexican and Latin American world. If someone was blocking Kiriakou’s ability to legally defend himself, we need to find out why; what was Obama afraid of getting out to the world, and why was he so determined to punish someone like Kiriakou and Snowden? Could it be that there was a Shiite conspiracy in which he was involved? Some have suggested his Muslim connections were Shiite, not Sunni, and that this describes several of his political approaches and actions during the time of his presidency. Comment (note added 12/10/2017) Kiriakou was exposed to a corrupt court system and agency/regional cronyism which prevented him from receiving a fair trial. In addition, he was wrongly penalized for leaks involving both national security and fellow agents when his exposures related to criminal activities within the CIA. Ex-president Barrack Obama refused leniency. Please pay attention to the various agencies and attorneys connected to criminalizing Kiriakou rather than admitting to their own institutional failures. Cognisance of these various networks is a vital part of the sleuthing required to help expose the true criminals and reverse the proceedings against Kiriakou. This website feels he should be absolved/pardoned, penalties removed, and that he should be awarded monetary damages from the government. COMMENTS THAT WERE ON WHISTLEBLOWER/KIRIAKOU-3 Note from PF: Kiriakou is Greek. We can ask if his treatment, his approach or response has anything to do with a certain kind of ethnic minority in the eyes of certain, if not all or most, groups. We can also ask if the CIA had been infiltrated by certain groups of the enemy or other forces opppositional to the United States, and if their response to Kiriakou had anything to do with this. Beyond these points, we can ask if Kiriakou was in fact guilty of exposing CIA agents and information which showed improper conduct in the handling of detainees. Kiriakou later was seen in a long stream of news media interviews, manyof which seem to be part of the same liberal Trump-bashing continuum seen for several years - that is to say, it is possible some of the still-hidden aspects of cases like this became more exposed to public view as time went on, and that we can now perhaps better assess what was really going on. Whether Kiriakou was a true whistleblower or a somewhat different sort of ethnic minority caught between several cultural orientations (ie, American, detainee, Pakistani, Hispanics around Guantanamo, real or alleged multinational allies, and American southern state (ie, Virginia) civilian and policing officials, should all be reconsidered, and we need to identify if any of the CIA persons mentioned had in fact been abusing detainees. Notice that Attorney General Holder was on board, and this individual has a suspicious record (ie, possible collusion with certain Islamic extremist groups). When Holder starts sounding imperious for the United States position, you should bells of warning go off, like why does he care in this matter? What can be happening in any case like this is that Shiites are fighting Sunnis, or one terrorist organization is fighting another. If one such group gets into the CIA, prison system, interrogations or the judicial system, it can put a certain edge and slant to how they respond to someone like John Kiriakou's whistleblowing - maybe it's one of them, not the United States per se, which is responding with ire that some of their information has gotten out to the public. Whether or not Kiriakou was seeking personal financial gain or fame in the revelations should also be considered, as well as whether there were certain political or ethnic reasons based on who or what he feels loyal to among certain Greeks. At first I felt sympathy for Zubaydah and later decided the story at that point was too muddled and uncertain to be sure what happened and who was guilty. The whole thing needs a fresh look.
WHISTLEBLOWERS-3d Comments on John Kiriakou