General Information (CASE STUDY-10a Idaho Murders*)
o Technical Evid Gathering Case Spec and Nat’l o Handprint o Blueprint of House o Neighbor Heard Scream or Yell o Hands bagged for evidence o Glove found outside near house o Ladder o Changed Door Lock o Hyunda White 2011-2013 o Black SUV o Trash Can Search - Catchup for original forgotten trash search o Grub Truck-Grub Wandering Kitchen - livestream video, tech? from Grub Truck review of video by private party o Plainsclothesmen pulled over under-age youth close to off-campus house murder site o Targeting: all four vs. targeting one in particular in at least one article, police indicated there are signs all four were likely targeted very near same time period of murders others suggest Kaylee was targeted other suggest don’t jump to conclusions one was targeted more o First Floor has hard time hearing other floors per former tenant o Friends called before 911 called o Ride Home Cabbie Confusion over Uber or private party PF Confusion over Grub Truck giving them ride home o 7 Dead Coyotes in Campus Area-Idaho Trib 2022/11/21 o Intel Concept Applied to Kohberger in Media - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moscow Idaho Campus Area Four Murders This section started out with no suspects nor arrests, just knowledge of the murder. As time moved on, Bryan Kobherger was arrested and placed in custody. A separate section (10b) was created to reflect that development. The United States policing and judicial-arrest system, as well as the media and tips system, seem to have done a great job, without our knowing the particulars. There might have been (and still are) some problems or issues along the way, but I feel the policing groups involved were likely self-assessing, kept learning while being responsive and were open to ideas by seeking tips. We will likely learn more later about what was off and what was done right. This is a complex case. Bryan Kohberger is at once complex yet perhaps also crudely simple. The police indicated early on that he was messy at the crime scene. He allegedly had issues with having been bullied as well as bullying, a vegetarian food obsessive compulsive disorder (or at least rigidity and attention to small details) about not eating meat including not using pans which cooked meat; at least some felt he was awkward around people; a need to sound educatedly complex, smart enough to get into a crimonology doctoral degree program, interests and degrees in psychology and criminal justice, reported as interested in becoming a cop. Reached out to prison inmates in doing a college study on what they thought and felt throughout their crimes. TIP LINE The University of Idaho investigation's tip line can be reached at 208-883-7180 BACKGROUND Background: On November 13, 2022 officers with the Moscow Police Department discovered four University of Idaho students dead in their off-campus residence. The four individuals were identified as Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and Xana Kernodle, 20. See MSN-2022/12/12 below Likely killed between 3 and 4 am Two other roommates -- who survived the attack and are not considered suspects Male they tried to call several times not considered suspect (DuCouer) See ABC Timeline of Events-2022/12/14 Timeline b2245419.htm Football game near general time period of murders Nov 12th, 2022 (day before murders) at 4:00pm Idaho Vandals vs Uc Davis Aggies: Moscow ID Kibbie Dome. Layout Weapon Possible Type of Knife Express Excerpt: The weapon used in the killings is believed to be a fixed-blade Ka-Bar-style knife. According to Mr Dreeke, it takes "a lot of energy" to kill someone with a knife. After arrest: The sheath had "Ka-Bar" and a United States Marine Corps eagle, globe and anchor insignia stamped on the outside of it, according to the affidavit. court-docs?yptr=yahoo#spark_wn=1 NAMES found in and linked to case Victims Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and Xana Kernodle, 20 Parents and Family Members of Victims Cara Denise Northington-mother of Xana Kernodle’s Steve Goncalves-father of Kaylee Goncalves Sister Autumn Goncalves comments Police: Chief, Others Chief-James Fry (at least once seen in news as Frye), Moscow Police Department Capt Roger Lanier Moscow Police Department Chris McDonough former homocide detective hosts a podcast called The Interview Room, found glove near crime scene (Newsweek-2022/12/12) Friends, Acquaintances, Boyfriend of Victims Jack DuCoeur (see also Jack DuCoeur section below) Adam - could it be “Maddie”? possibly a bartender Jake Schriger possibly dated or dating Maddie Jack Showalter possibly: hoodie guy, a man with known rages, kicked out fraternity affiliation, animal killings/leavings Input-Experts-Toxicology, Police, Criminal Law, etc.-Brief List - See some more detail by some experts below Baden-Dr. Michael Baden (toxicology-Fox 2022/12/17, has been called as an expert witness in many high-profile cases) Breshears-Pullman Police Operations Commander Aaron Breshears, who has been working with the Pullman Police Department for the last 23 years, Casey-Dr. Casey Jordan (Inside Edition) Chacon-Bobby Chacon, a retired FBI agent, Newsweek-2023/01/09 Coffindaffer-former FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer (Newsweek-2022/12/13) Dershowitz-Attorney Alan Dershowitz Newsweek-2023-01/10 Dreeke- Robin Dreeke, retired FBI spec. agent/former head of the Counterintel. Behav,Analysis Prog (Express- 2023-01-02) Fan, Mary D., a criminal law professor at the University of Washington (US News-2023/01/06) Fuhrman-Mark Fuhrman retired Los Angeles police detective (Washington Examiner-2022/12/17) Gamette-Matthew Gamette Idaho State Police Forensics Laboratory Systems Director Gieacalone-Joseph Giacalone, a John Jay College of Criminal Justice professor and retired NYPD sergeant Gilliam-Jonathan Gilliam, former FBI special agent (Meaww-2022/11/28; Fox 2022/12/7) Holloway, Phil (Fox-2022/12/5) Jordan, Casey (Professor Western Conn. State Univ, Criminologist, Behavioral Analyst; Today-2022/12/3) Mabbutt-Latah County Coroner Catthy Mabbutt (Fox News-2022/11/23) McCrary-Gregg McCrary, a former FBI profiler (Newsweek 2022/12/ 6) McDonough-Chris McDonough see under Police above Morgan, Joseph Scott (Fox-2023-01-02) OConnell, Maureen (Inside Edition- OToole-Mary Ellen O'Toole, who retired as an FBI profiler in 2009 (Newsweek-2022/12/7; CBS News 2022/12/9) Walder, Tracy, Former Special Agent (News Nation Now-2022/12/8) Ward, TJ Private Investigator (Fox-2022/12/22) Weisberg-Retired NYPD Sgt. Herman Weisberg (Fox News-2022/11/23) Williams-Ted Williams-Fox Experts Input-News Dreke, Robin Express-UK 2023/01/02 Idaho murder weapon offers 'horrendous' insight into killer's profile, says ex-FBI agent Speaking exclusively to, former FBI special agent Robin Dreeke said it's not just the act of murdering four students that's revealing but how they were murdered too. By Adam Chapman Excerpt: According to Mr Dreeke, it takes "a lot of energy" to kill someone with a knife."And it's traumatic on the individual doing it. Both mentally - unless you are edging high on that lack of empathy side - and physically," the former FBI agent said. He continued: "To do it three more times. That's pretty horrendous but also more physically demanding. It's exhausting. That's a plan." Fan, Mary US News 2023/01/06 The White Sedan: How Police Found Suspect in Idaho Slayings. Authorities say a key piece of evidence in the case of four University of Idaho students stabbed to death in November turned out to be surveillance footage showing a white sedan driving past the victims' home found-suspect-in-idaho-slayings “Tracking movements in public is an important technique when you haven't identified any suspects,” said Mary D. Fan, a criminal law professor at the University of Washington. “You can see movements in public even if you don't have probable cause to get a warrant. We live in a time of ubiquitous cameras. This is a remarkable account of what piecing together that audiovisual data can do.” Gilliam, Jonathan Gilliam-Profile of Killer Meaww 2022/11/28 YOUNG MAN WHO HAS KILLED BEFORE!': Former FBI special agent profiles Idaho student murderer By Arunava ChakrabartyUpdated On : 16:33 PST, Nov 28, 2022 killed-before Excerpt: Gilliam also debunked the claims made by other experts. He said, "One analyst on another network said that there was probably a female or a same-sex argument...........I don't think that's the case." He then made the eyebrow-raising assertion that he is "pretty sure that this was a young male, somebody who can get into the house and get out in that neighborhood without being seen." …realjonathangilliam My educated predictions of the killers description: - One killer - Male - Young enough to go unnoticed in the neighborhood - Covert killer, wants to satiate his desires. - Doesn’t want to get caught - Not his first time being violent or killing - May be first time killing at this level (ie multiple victims) - Is an odd person that people will perceive as dangerous, creepy or just odd - Probably entered through the second floor sliding glass door that faces the tree line - Lives within the three hours of the murder location - Victims were possibly intoxicated before they went to sleep making it easier for killer to move from victim to victim - Killer is probably known by someone for doing something violent in the past - May have known victims because there is no report of the dog barking and no reports of forced entry (although the door may have been open) - Killer is outwardly uncomfortably and deviant than he is menacing to people who know him Please leave your comments below and if you’ve seen someone like this in the vicinity of Moscow, Idaho, contact police immediately. #Idahomurders #universityofidaho Longterm Law Enf. Officers input FOX News Idaho murders: Experts caution public against rush to judgment as police pursue 'each and every lead' Story by Stephanie Pagones, Audrey Conklin • Wednesday as-police-pursue-each-and-every-lead/ar-AA15xpoT Longtime law enforcement officers and crime analysts are cautioning the public against drawing conclusions about the progress of the unsolved murders in Moscow, Idaho. every-lead Fox Idaho college murders experts left stunned missteps investigation McCrary Newsweek via MSN Slain Idaho Students Might Have 'Enraged' the Killer, Says Ex-FBI Profiler Story by Khaleda Rahman • Dec 6 Excerpt: "We have to be careful that we don't overinterpret the information," McCrary said in the interview. One theory is that Goncalves' "excessive" wounds indicate she was the target. But McCrary said he worked on other cases of multiple murders where the victim subjected to the most violence was not the target. "It was the person who had put up the most resistance and enraged the killer, so...the killer inflicted more wounds on that person, even though that person wasn't specifically targeted," he said. profiler/ar-AA14YiXq Coffindaffer Newsweek via MSN Idaho Murder Stabbings Weren't 'Easy,' Suspect Was a Man: Former FBI Agent. Story by Anna Commander • Jennifer Coffindaffer, a retired FBI agent and law enforcement analyst, took to Twitter on Sunday voicing her thoughts on the Idaho stabbings. "When I was doing my EMT Rotations out of a Firestation in S. Dallas, my first call was to a stabbing," Coffindaffer said.She continued, "The woman was stabbed many times/perforated lung but was screaming/angry. To murder these four [Idaho students] took ferociousness, strength, resolve. It wan't easy. IME, it was [a] man." former-fbi-agent/ar-AA15qckD Surviving Roommates Moscow-Pullman Daily News, Moscow, Idaho-via Yahoo 2022/11/21 Moscow murders: Surviving roommates first summoned friends, then 911 was called Anthony Kuipers, Moscow-Pullman Daily News, Moscow, Idaho Excerpt: On Saturday, the Moscow Police Department said in a statement that the 911 call made just before noon Nov. 13 came from a surviving roommate's cellphone inside the house. There were two surviving roommates, and police do not believe they were involved in the crime. Police have not identified the caller, but Chief James Fry said Sunday that they were not the killer. On Sunday evening following the news conference, the Moscow police issued an updated news release that said the two surviving roommates "summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. ... Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before a Moscow Police officer arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found the four victims on the second and third floors." The updated news release also said that none of the people who were at the house when the 911 call was placed is involved in the murder. Adam [possibly “Maddie”? later input: it does sound like Adam. One source indicates maybe he is bartender Is article a dubbed-over fake news-the accents seem funny, haven’t heard Kaylee talk on video yet] Independent Idaho college murders update investigation Moscow moscow-b2247161.html The video, obtained by Fox News, captures Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen with what appears to be the same man known as “hoodie guy” who they were with when they stopped at late-night food spot the Grub Truck. Police have already ruled this man out as a suspect. In the video, Goncalves appears to ask Mogen: “Maddie, what did you say to Adam?” “Like, I told Adam everything,” a second female voice responds. Goncalves and Mogen got a ride home from the food truck, arriving at their student rental home at around 1.56am on 13 November. The two best friends, their roommate Xana Kernodle and Kernodle’s boyfriend Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death in the home at around 3am or 4am. The killer remains at large. [Note from PF: this is possibly where I got the idea an article indicated the food truck giving them ride; however, that article seems gone now although I did a link only search, not a specific search on Indep’s website itself] Madison Mogen 2022/12/26 Madison Mogen’s father hits out at ‘misinformation’ around Idaho murders. Andrea Blanco stabbings-b2251697.html Ben Mogen says authorities have worked tirelessly to keep him informed about developments in the investigation into his daughter’s murder. The father of one of four University of Idaho students killed last month has criticised the rampant misinformation circulating online about the unsolved murders. Murphy-Dog Independent 2022/12/6 Idaho police offer new details about slain student Kaylee Goncalves’ dog at the crime scene. Investigators previously revealed that the dog was found inside the home when officers arrived on the scene of the murders on 13 November Murphy According to 3 sources Moscow Police said in an update on Monday that Murphy, the pet dog that victim Kaylee Goncalves shared with her former long-term boyfriend, was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. “Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene,” the statement said. b2239774.html Jack DuCoeur Some or all of the material indicating he was an outraged boyfriend might be faked but is put here just in case there is something to it. The “who done it internet sleuth” blog directly below follows a track of reasoning that might make sense at first glance, but upon further reading, there are some alternative interpretations including the most attacked victim might be the one who fought back the most (even if verbally, I might add, if there are no signs of defense wounds). Police don’t feel Jack did it, according to some articles ABC News 2022/12/14 Idaho college murders: Timeline of eventsNo suspects are in custody and the murder weapon is missing. By Emily Shapiro Excerpt: Police also said they don't believe the male Goncalves and Mogen tried to contact numerous times on Nov. 13 is involved. New York Post 2022/12/24 Ex-boyfriend of slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves is devastated Excerpt: The man once considered a person of interest in the murder of his ex-girlfriend and three other University of Idaho students is crushed he “lost the love of his life” — and devastated that some consider him a suspect in the slaughter, a family member told The Post. Speaking publicly for the first time, Brooke Miller said her nephew, Jack DuCoeur, is currently “surrounded by family and friends” as he grieves Kaylee Goncalves‘ murder. “He’s not only lost the love of his life, and what we all thought and he probably thought as well, would be his future wife — you know, get married and have kids and all of that,” but also, “half of America” thinks he could “be responsible” for the heinous killings, said Miller. DuCoeur, 22, and Goncalves, 21, had been dating for five years when she broke things off with him just three weeks before she was murdered. Blog on ex-boyfriend Jack: Anthony Alfonso 5 December, 2022 Kaylee's father said one of the two girls was the main target. Either his daughter Kaylee or Madison. Because the father is so vocal, I would say it was Kaylee. The father said the main target was more brutally killed. This would mean a crime of passion. Someone that knew the victim. The ex-boyfriend Jack, who the two girls called right before the murders would be suspect # 1. I think he realized his ex - Kaylee had moved on possibly with Madison or someone else. The killer was familiar with the house as the father said. The other three were collateral damage to the killer to get to his main target Kaylee. Twitter EXPLORE FURTHER Global web icon Jack DuCoeur on Twitter: "If I had a dollar for every time she li… Deaf to Bullshit this is off internet does not say who is he is talking about extracted 2022/12/12 Meaww dot com Kaylee Goncalves called her ex-boyfriend Jack DuCoeur several times before she was murdered with the rest of her friends (Kaylee Goncalves/Instagram) : Among the University of Idaho students murdered, two of them had reportedly called "Jack" multiple times before tragedy struck. Who is Jack DuCoeur? Kayl… Although Moscow Police Chief James Fry has continuously announced that there are no suspects in the case, people have already vilified Jack DuCoeur online, the ex-boyfriend of murder victim Kaylee Goncalves. Heavy 2-22/11/25 However, The New York Times later reported that the Jack the young women called was Jack Ducoeur. Goncalves’ sister Alivia Goncalves revealed to Inside Edition that Goncalves called “Jack” seven times. Victim Madison Mogen also called “Jack” three times. “At 2:26 a.m. Kaylee starts to call Jack. Kaylee calls Jack six times between 2:26 a.m. to 2:44 a.m., from 2:44 to 2:52 Maddie calls Jack three times, then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m. And they are both never heard from again,” Alivia told Inside Edition. Steve Goncalves Newsweek 2022/12/13 Idaho Murders Updates: Goncalves Family Hires Attorney BY LAUREN GIELLA AND MEGHAN ROOS ON month-later-1766753 EVIDENCE GATHERING also see experts below Keeping Integrity of Case, Input by Officials on case Fry on assurance solve case, not grow cold, retaining case integrity by not leaking to public KTVB 2022/12/22 'We will solve this': Moscow police chief is confident the murder case will come to a close Moscow Police Chief James Fry said they hear all the rumors about the department, but that doesn't stop them from believing the case will be solved. Alexander Duggan police-chief-is-confident-the-case-will-come-to-a-close-moscow-murders-university-of-idaho/277- 8ddfb5c2-1ebb-4370-9ff9-870a01d53f4d Excerpt: MOSCOW, Idaho — There is no suspect announced, but there's a reason Moscow Police Chief James Fry believes a quadruple homicide in Moscow will be solved -- and those reasons lie mostly with investigators trying to refrain from compromising the case. Released Footage on Moscow Cops who came to door, encountered partying male non-residents, and talked to Maddie one of victims on phone home/ Lanier on wanting conviction, not just arrest “We’re not releasing specific details because we do not want to compromise this investigation. It’s what we must do. We owe that to the families, and we owe that to the victims. We want more than just an arrest, we want a conviction,” Lanier continued. Possible Missteps Armchair and Internet Sleuths Newsweek via MSN Ladder Outside Idaho Student Murder Home Reported to FBI Story by Chloe Mayer • The lack of suspects, and limited information released, has fueled wild rumors online. Police have begged armchair detectives and internet sleuths not to meddle in the investigation or share unfounded claims online. AA15er4u Cyber Sleuth gets sued for defamation New York Post 2022/12/24 University of Idaho professor sues TikToker who accused her of killing 4 students. By Peter Aitken, Fox News Tech case specific and general Idaho Statesman 2022/12/7 ‘Murder cases are not solved in 24 hours.’ DNA experts discuss Moscow evidence, homicides BY ALEX BRIZEE Hyundai White 2011-2013 car White car linked to murders was spotted on video supplied by homeowner Fox 2022/12/16 Idaho murders: Police still seeking Hyundai 33 days after campus coed massacre. Michael Ruiz The University of Idaho investigation's tip line can be reached at 208-883-7180 Bodycam video from night of Idaho coed murders see also plains clothes men Bodycam footage shows a white car parked near Idaho murders house. (Credit: Moscow Police Department) Black SUV Meaww dot com 2022/12/10 Mystery of the BLACK SUV: Idaho victims' neighbor says he told cops about vehicle, but Moscow PD says NO By Varnika Srivastava Excerpt: Recently a neighbor next to the murder house revealed he had noticed an unidentified SUV car a few blocks away from the crime scene. Inan Harsh, 30, originally from Pullman, who was living next to the victims' house, has spoken up about a suspicious black SUV car in the area. The same individual even reported he may have heard some screams around 4.00 am when the students were butchered in their own beds. Harsh claimed that when he returned early that morning, he immediately went back to the investigators at the house to report a black luxury SUV that he had never seen before in the neighborhood and that was parked a short distance from the front of the house, as reported by Statesman. Harsh claimed that when he returned early that morning, he immediately went back to the investigators at the house to report a black luxury SUV that he had never seen before in the neighborhood and that was parked a short distance from the front of the house, as reported by Statesman. Handprint students-78403 Blueprint of House death.html Neighbor Heard Scream (or Yell) student-murders-78500 Glove outside near house Newsweek via MSN AA15bn3l Hands bagged for signs of evidence in fingernails, etc scene-preserve-evidence Changed Doorlock(s) One of the four slain University of Idaho students had her father visit and fix a lock in the house the weekend before she and her friends were brutally murdered, her mother said in a new interview. Xana Kernodle’s father had visited and fixed a lock on the house during a visit the first week of November, her mom Cara Denise Northington told NewsNation Friday. See NY Post-2022/12/04 below Ladder Newsweek via MSN Ladder Outside Idaho Student Murder Home Reported to FBI Story by Chloe Mayer Excerpt:However, the case has sparked huge national interest, and most recently, attention has been drawn to the fact there is a ladder propped against the side of the house in King Road, where the killings took place. Reporter Brian Entin, who works for NewsNation, did a 15-minute livestream from outside the crime scene, which remains sealed off with police tape around the perimeter. Entin answered questions messaged to him by viewers and confirmed the presence of the ladder, which he showed on camera during his stream on Monday night. "Some of you asked me about the ladder," Entin said. "Yeah. There is a ladder... There is a ladder on the other side of the house that has been there since the beginning, which is kind of interesting." He walked around through the snow that has now blanketed the street, so that he could film the metal ladder, which was shown propped against the side of the house exposed to the elements. Other photos taken at the scene suggested the equipment was a stepladder, that looked to measure around 6 feet tall or so. It is unclear whether the ladder was there before the students were murdered, and if so, whether it has been analyzed for forensic evidence, or whether it was placed there after the bodies had been discovered and is therefore not part of the investigation. A YouTuber hosting a show about the murders took a call from a viewer who said she had felt compelled to report the ladder to the FBI. The unnamed woman told the host, known as iCkEdMeL, that she had "been trying to get somebody's attention." The caller added: "I've even called the FBI and let them know what I've seen. I've noticed, I don't know if you've noticed, that, in all of the photographs of that house, it's a ladder that is on the right-side of the house. And it's been there since day one of the murders. "And I have not seen the police or no-one doing anything with that ladder to check for evidence or anything. So, please, look at the house... It's possible they could have used that ladder to get up on to the third floor." The host seemed unconvinced and replied that the ladder was "really small," so was unlikely to have been used in that way. AA15er4u Trash Can Search - Catchup for original trash miss murder-weapon Grub Truck - Grub Wandering Kitchen Meawwdot com 2022/11/18 Who owns Grub Truck? Joseph Woodall's video key in timeline of University of Idaho massacre. By Anjana PV idaho-students Excerpt: The livestream of the late-night food truck, Grub Truck, indicated the final hangout of two University of Idaho massacre victims, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves, as they ordered $10 worth of carbonara from Grub Truckers and waited about 10 minutes for their food. The video is key evidence in setting the correct timeline of the attack. Joseph Woodall, 26, who manages the food truck, claimed that the duo appeared to have been there between 1.30 am and 1.40 am, reported NBC. Meanwhile, the girls appeared to walk toward the truck from the other side of the street when they arrived. However, the duo was later on joined by a mystery man. Around 1.53 am, the girls were seen walking away in one direction, leaving the young man speaking with others at the truck, reported Daily Mail. While speaking of the mystery man, one of the victims, Kaylee Goncalves’ sister Alivea said, “Yeah, I think a lot of people were curious about that person, We were able to identify him and as far as I know he has cooperated with the police. And that’s all that I know about that." She added, "The footage was a little frustrating but again there are so many agencies involved, I can’t say I necessarily blame them." NBC 2022/11/16 A late-night food truck camera appeared to show 2 of the Idaho victims hours before they were found dead. Tim Stelloh The video helped authorities determine where two of the students were before they were fatally stabbed, a police official said Wednesday. hours-found-rcna57624 Excerpt: The video appears to show the University of Idaho students ordering “mac of the week” and carbonara at the food truck amid a rush of customers early Sunday. The livestream was broadcast on the platform Twitch by Grub Wandering Kitchen, which owns the food truck. Joseph Woodall, who manages the truck, said they appear to have been there between 1:30 a.m. and 1:40 a.m. Edible Idaho What makes Grub Truck unique? Yet, what makes Grub Truck unique is not their creative mac combinations; it’s owner John Fletcher’s innovative use of technology and Twitch. For those not familiar with the service, Twitch is an online streaming platform for digital videos. Moscow's Grub Truck Twitches Online - Edible Idaho… Grub Tech (?) It might not be related, but there is a Grubtech online, as well: Since 2019, our team of thought leaders and technology innovators have been enabling restaurateurs and cloud kitchen operators across the globe Grub Truck When: WEDNESDAY & THURSDAY 10:00PM - 2:00AM FRIDAY & SATURDAY 10:00PM - 2:30AM Where: Downtown Moscow! On Main Street between 1st & 6th (usually near the Garden Lounge) Grub Truck Run-Down Video by private party like internet sleuth - this is helpful to familiarize with video area Targeting Plains clothes police alcohol enforcement patrol pull over 3 under-age youth near (1/10th mile) campus house murder site Fox 2022/12/8 Idaho murders: Police release bodycam video from night of killings The probe into the murders of four University of Idaho students has entered its fourth week Rebecca Rosenberg By Rebecca Rosenberg , Michael Ruiz Excerpt: MOSCOW, Idaho – The Moscow Police Department released new body camera video recorded the same morning four University of Idaho students were murdered. Police working a plain clothes alcohol enforcement patrol stopped three University of Idaho students for suspected underage drinking at about 2:50 a.m. Nov. 13 as the students were walking in a field between West Taylor Avenue and the Sigma Chi fraternity. The teens were stopped about one-tenth of a mile from the rental home at 1122 King Road, where Madison Mogen, 21, her best friend Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Ethan Chapin, 20, and his girlfriend Xana Kernodle, 20, were brutally stabbed to death between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. Body cam footage cam footage First Floor has hard time hearing other floors per past tenant Fox 2022/12 Idaho murders: Former first floor tenant of Moscow home says he couldn't hear activity from other floors Four students were killed on the second and third floors of the house in November, while two others on the first floor survived hear-activity-other-floors Friends called before 911 call was made Moscow Pullman Daily News via Yahoo 2022/11/21 Moscow murders: Surviving roommates first summoned friends, then 911 was called Anthony Kuipers, Moscow-Pullman Daily News, Moscow, Idaho Excerpt: Anthony Kuipers, Moscow-Pullman Daily News, Moscow, Idaho Investigators involved in the Nov. 13 quadruple homicide case in Moscow have ruled out the 911 caller as the murderer, but have not divulged the identity of the caller. Officials from the Moscow Police Department, the University of Idaho and Idaho State Police held a news conference Sunday about the investigation into the stabbing deaths of UI students Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves at a King Road residence. On Saturday, the Moscow Police Department said in a statement that the 911 call made just before noon Nov. 13 came from a surviving roommate's cellphone inside the house. There were two surviving roommates, and police do not believe they were involved in the crime. Police have not identified the caller, but Chief James Fry said Sunday that they were not the killer. On Sunday evening following the news conference, the Moscow police issued an updated news release that said the two surviving roommates "summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. ... Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before a Moscow Police officer arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found the four victims on the second and third floors." The updated news release also said that none of the people who were at the house when the 911 call was placed is involved in the murder. Fry indicated that a male who received several phone calls from Mogen and Goncalves in the early morning hours of Nov. 13 isn't a suspect. "Everything that we've taken from those calls, we've followed up on, we've cleared, and we believe there's no connection there," he said. In a previous news release, the police stated the male who drove Mogen and Goncalves to the King Road residence that morning is not a suspect. The male who was seen in surveillance footage of the Grub Truck on Main Street standing near Goncalves and Mogen a few hours before they were killed was also ruled out as a suspect. Another new detail Fry shared is that other friends of the victims were at the King Road residence around the time the 911 call was made, but could not say when or how many. It was reiterated during Sunday's news conference that no suspects have been arrested and no murder weapon has been found. An autopsy determined that all four students were stabbed to death. Ride Home Cabbie New York Post 2022/12/23 Cabbie who drove slain Idaho students home said they were ‘excited’ to go home and eat pasta. By Snejana Farberov Uber or Private Party News Nation Now 2022/11/18 Release: 'Private party' drove Kaylee and Madison home | Banfield banfield/8172267/ Release: 'Private party' drove Kaylee and Madison home | Banfield New video surfaced showing two of the Idaho murder victims, identified as Madison Mogen, 20, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, ordering at a late-night food truck in Moscow, Idaho. An updated release Friday night clarified that Kaylee and Madison did not take an Uber home to their house. Instead they “used a private party for a ride home.” 7 Dead Coyotes Around Campus Area incidents-3-sororities-and-1-fraternity-targeted-animal-blood-on-doorsteps-and-windows PF apparently wrong about Grub Truck taking them home For some reason I thought I had read this somewhere, looks like taxi cab took them home. Tonight I learned of the cabbie and also the Uber-private party controversy. I will try to identify where I might have read the Grub Truck took them home, but I think I might must have misread or remembered it wrong. Tips Info ABC News via MSN Idaho murders: Tips hit 10,000 as police comb through 'hours and hours' of content and-hours-of-content/ar-AA15rPU2 CNN 2022/12/13 Authorities have received an overwhelming number of tips since making the call for information on the white Elantra, police said Friday. Those calls have gone through the FBI call center, which helps sort those leads before they’re sent to investigators. “The FBI is prioritizing and vetting those tips for use in the investigation. The public is asked to continue to use the Tip Line to report any information about the vehicle,” police said in a news release. The investigation into the homicides is being handled by dozens working around the clock across the local police department, the FBI and the Idaho State Police. https //www cnn com/2022/12/13/us/university-of-idaho-student-killings-month-later/index.html Incel Concept Applied to Kohberger in Media New York Post 2023/06/08 Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted at feminist author Margaret Atwood’s 2018 lecture. By Olivia Land Excerpt: The term incel is an abbreviation of “involuntarily celibate,” and is generally used to refer to men who struggle to establish romantic or sexual relationships. The identity is occasionally linked to misogynistic online forums and, in extreme cases, crime. …Though investigators have remained tight-lipped on Kohberger’s alleged motive for the grisly killings, some experts and former acquaintances have speculated that he struggled with feelings of rejection from women, and harbored sexist or even violent feelings as a result. https //nypost com/2023/06/08/incel-bryan-kohberger-spotted-at-margaret-atwood-lecture/ Updates: 2023/06/08 Intel Concept section added; 2023/01/06; /2023/01/01; 2022/12/29 some experts added; 2022/12/27 Gilliam expert input added profile killer; 2022/12/25 Sources moved to separate page with Links List; 2022/12/24; 2022/12/19 Case Study 10b added; 2022/12/18; 2022/12/17 PAGE STARTED, some taken from 2Current Commentary News Notes
*Four College Students Murdered in Off-Campus House in Moscow, Idaho 10a-here Information 10b Arrrest of Kohberger 10c-Articles/Links 10d Articles Tipline Background Layout Timeline Weapon - Possible Type of Crime Area o Fraternities and Sororities Fraternities can be very abusive to females nationally See Comments 12/25-26 Rapes, Power Mongering Fraternity across street can see murder house front interconnections with murdered Names found in and linked to case o Victims o Parents of Victims o Friends, Ex-Boyfriend, etc o Dog Murphy o Police o Experts-often retired FBI profilers or homicide detectives -see Expert Input news excerpts below Expert Input (news excerpts) o Coffindaffer o Gilliam, Jonathan Profile of Killer o etc… Surviving Roommates Madison Mogen o Input by father Jack Du Coeur o Update more sympathetic to DuCoeur, a little more info on him Steve Goncalves o Very vocal on news video o PF thinks he should stay a suspect like everyone else until verdict o Gilliam thinks a judge should order he be verbally clamped down “Adam” could it be “Maddie”? Murphy-Kaylee Goncalves and Jack DuCouer’s-at crime scene Evidence Gathering o Keeping Integrity of Case and Case Police Input Lanier on not compromising an investigation Police Chief Frye on assurance case will be solved not grow cold Video footage of cops talking to Maddie on phone prior to murd. Possible Investigative Missteps Armchair and Internet Sleuths also see Expert Input The problem with internet or cyber sleuths o Cyber Sleuth sued defamation
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CASE STUDIES SECTION People 1 Kennedy, John F. 2 John Lennon 3 Pearl, Danny 4 Dylan Redwine o 4a Case o 4b Links List o 4c Comments 5 Michael Ruppert 6 Aaron Russo 7 Rodney Stich 8 Gary Webb 9 Ellsberg, Daniel 10 Idaho Campus House Murders o a Information o b Arrest o c Links o d Articles Conspiracy Studies 11 System-Org Abuse 12 British Ops 13 Satanism International/Cultural Donmeh India Call Centers Corsican Mafia Greek Terrorism Peruvian Gangs Gypsies Crime Types Study Horse Racetrack Firefighter Arson Gangstalking o 1 General 2 Articles, Tactics o 3 Tactics